press photo courtesy of the Wisconsin Union Theater |
Last time I wrote about Laurie Anderson, in
2008 (when she did a show she called “Homeland,” at Overture Hall), my piece
ran in Isthmus, and my editor (who was much better at writing headlines than I am) titled
it “Queen of Quirk.” “Quirk,” according to the dictionary, means “characterized
by peculiar or unexpected traits.” It’s
true that Anderson is a master of the unexpected, but peculiar she’s not. In
fact, what’s so unexpected about her, in today’s clown-ruled world, is that she
rings so true, so human, so honest and sincere.
She’s also sensationally complex. She’s an Artist, with a capital A. Her powers of observation are uncommonly keen.
She’s a storyteller. A poet, a violinist,
synth empress, composer, dog lover, world citizen. Chicago-born New Yorker.
Buddhist. She gets her points across via many different media – electronic instrumentation,
film, drawings, paintings. And words – always words.
The Artist returns to Madison – to the
Wisconsin Union Theater’s Shannon Hall –
next Friday night, Feb. 9. Her performance is titled “Language of the
Future.” It’s a tag she’s used before, but
it won’t be a show you’ve ever seen. Her titles are just frameworks for telling stories. On them she spins narratives from
the ongoing rush of the universe. Threads from the past, plus riotous future
colors, weave through the fabric.
She’s
rushing through the universe right now, gathering material.
“I’m on a retreat, doing a lot of
writing,” she said from somewhere in California when I reached her by phone
late last week. “I have a lot of
projects, an overwhelming number of projects.
For the last year, my reaction to what I see – it’s disaster – is to
work as hard as I can, and I don’t know if that’s helping or not. I’m really
not sure, but it means I’m doing too many things. On the wall here I have notes for four essays
to do by tomorrow. One’s about the Arctic, one’s a poetry project – it’s all
unrelated stuff.”
CulturalOyster: But
that’s what you do, weave unrelated stuff together...
Anderson: Yes. I see things as moving pieces and see how
they might relate, and a lot of them actually do pretty well. There are a lot
of moving pieces in my life. I have a couple of things coming out that bring
some of them together – a book called All
the Things I Lost in the Flood [works from the archives of her four-decade
career, annotated with her own recently written commentary] will be released on
February 7, and a few days after that there’s a record I did with Kronos
Quartet called Landfall, and
there’s an album called Songs from the Bardo – it comes out later – that I did with a Tibetan singer,
Tenzin Choegyal at the Rubin Museum [in Manhattan]. It’s texts from the Tibetan Book of the Dead, which are so
beautiful, done with a small ensemble.
CulturalOyster: Since
this is a pre-show inverview for your Madison performance, I’m interested in
your process, and what you might weave together for that.
Anderson: “Language of the Future" is always changing. I struggle with it a lot but it’s really fun
to do because the way things are moving, it’s colossally crazy. In a sense I’m trying to be a journalist – at
least that’s part of the approach – so I need to update things really
quickly. Language is the future, and these days we haven’t the slightest idea of
what’ll happen tomorrow. The stress of
that is really getting to me, I’m feeling the stress of living with it. I try
not to get my sense of identity from my government but it kinda happens, and
there’s a fair amount of that in “Language of the Future,” with stories and
images about identity and national identity.
You can imagine, I rewrite every half-hour.
CulturalOyster:
Some of your stories, like some of your titles, reappear in your works in different
contexts — I remember you talking about taking your beloved rat terrier,
Lolabelle, to California after 9/11 in “End of the Moon,” which you did here
(at the Wisconsin Union Theater) in 2004, and that story appears again much
later in your 2015 film Heart of a Dog. Speaking of dogs and language
and the future – I’ve had terriers all my life, and they actually communicate
much better than most people, but – you’ve been kind of clairvoyant before, so in
future, given how much new dog science is being done all the time now, will
we be able to hold long, clear conversations with them about profound subjects?
Anderson: I think we can do that now. Their words don’t
sound like our vocabularies but their emotional range is huge – they don’t say
“that is delicious,” or “hilarious,” or “sad,” but they have all of that. As people get less skilled emotionally it’s
more important than ever to spend time with animals. Last weekend a friend of mine put her horse
that she had for ten years out to pasture, he went lame. He’d been ridden every day and had lots of
horses and people and carrots in his life every day and he went to pasture with
only minimal shelter from the weather, which the other horses wouldn’t let him
into most of the time anyway, and no contact and no riding. And we came to visit him and he was like “Oh,
finally, you’re here! This is all a big mistake, get me outta here, let’s go
home!” – and when we left him there my heart was completely broken. I was horrified. Sometimes when you don’t have language the
emotional force of abandonment is so much stronger. People aren’t as clear. It’s not fair to say this, but you can leave
your mom in a nursing home and she may be conflicted about the home, or have
Alzheimers, and what’s going on with her can be opaque, but the signal from
that horse about being abandoned was really clear.
What you ask about animals and
communication is really important. I
have to say in this last year I feel there’s a lot less civility. There was a guy in a bike lane in New York who
jumped out of the lane at high speed just to ram into me. The level of
hostility is unbelievable.
My favorite sign from the women’s
marches last weekend was “I hope you’ve noticed the lack of nazis on our march.”
CulturalOyster:
Going back to your storytelling technique, where I was asking about your
frameworks – their boundaries are permeable, since stories like the one about Lolabelle
in California cross from one to another. How porous is the line between memory
and fiction?
Anderson: I think its really true that we’ve forgotten
more things about life than the things we remember. The way our brains work,
they match patterns and fill in the sensed information. So I notice that and try to work with it as
an idea. We’re often not that aware of what we’re seeing in front of us, but
present experience is built on past experience – you use it to predict what’s
going to happen so you can protect yourself.
On the subject of experience and
the brain I have to mention David Eagleman’s book The Brain, in which he writes about how mental processing and story
construction work. I find it fascinating,
but I don’t understand it at all. But in terms if frameworks, telling a story –
like the dog story – in a film you tell it differently than in other media. There’
a picture so you don’t have to say what things look like – you can see the
beauty of what’s going on. And you don’t
have to tell about time, or if something is really frightening you don’t need
to repeat that it’s frightening.
So it’s fun to experiment with
telling stories in different forms. I’ve been experimenting with
virtual reality. It’s completely
wild. I love programming sound for it, you
can make an earworm that’s looping around your head and then move out of that
space and destroy it – it’s thrilling, and you have a really interesting
competition with the senses. Your feet
say you’re standing in a room but your eyes say “I’m standing on a cliff over a
raging sea and I’m about to fall” – and your eyes win. But for me, it’s not about creating a scene
and putting you in it – the work I’m doing is its about flying and words, it’s
very different from what you think of as virtual reality.
CulturalOyster: I
just interviewed Moses Pendleton, you know, the artistic director of Momix –
and he was saying he thinks people will immerse themselves in virtual reality
in the future instead of going to the theater, so maybe theater has no future.
Anderson: I don’t know what people will do with virtual
reality in the future, but I do know that because of technology people are
becoming more introverted and less outgoing.
They just look at their devices nonstop and the level of pain involved
in that is enormous. It’s ridiculous
that it’s called “social media.”
A friend here was telling me
about conversations he was having with people in Silicon Valley. One of them said positive things about the
opioid epidemic because people lose their jobs and they get angry and they’re
out driving – so it’s better if they’re sedated instead. My friend says you
can’t believe the entitlement of the people designing the tech stuff these
days.
I look at my own contributions
and I’m horrified!
The media keeps you trapped. It really is true. It’s not bad to use clichés sometimes and
being trapped in the news cycles is the fate of most people I know. That’s the great thing about the marches –
they do get people out and then they’re wide awake.
CulturalOyster: I’m
going to go back to your creative process one more time. Your stories are made
up of threads that you weave together to make a whole that’s greater than its
parts. You pull elements of your work from wakefulness, dreaming, and
meditative state, and from music, painting, film, digital tech — is this
a big, unwieldy process that involves juggling divergent realities, or is it a
harmonious process that takes the Buddhist idea of separation as mere illusion
as starting point? Or does the actual
process fall somewhere in between those extremes?
Anderson: Nothing is harmonoius,
not even Buddhism. People would prefer to think that meditation is about bliss,
and my bottom line is I do believe we’re here to exist in bliss and not suffer,
but along the way, in order to really experience what’s going on I think
there’s a lot of suffering. Writing
isn’t easy, it’s torture. I’ll never
believe a writer who says “I sat down to write and it’s fun and I’m connecting
all the threads.”
If I hear that I think “oh no
you’re not, babe, you’re lyin’ to me.”
To write you gotta take the white
gloves off. You’re ripping things – and
yourself – apart, and trying to experience what you’re really feeling. And that’s a mixture of things that includes
failure and fear. I try to be open to those things and just notice what sticks
out. That’s the only way I can describe
what interests me – it’s what sticks out. It has emotional punch if it’s
good. Sometimes ideas are nice and calm,
but for me if it doesn’t have the emotion I have to look at it a little more or
throw it away. We’re encouraged to ignore emotions more than we used to be, to
try to sound clever and package ourselves as slick – but really you’re thinking
“no, I’m not slick, I’m a complete mess, but I can’t represent myself on my
Facebook page that way! Oh, wait...Facebook is the enemy...”
CulturalOyster: I
don’t have a Facebook page.
Anderson: I don’t have one either. With social media you’re
getting robbed and they’re selling you
back your own information. You’re
getting stupider and poorer and lonelier and everything else. But it’s in your pocket and it’s buzzing and
you’ve gotta go “what is that?” and you think you better get it ‘cause it might
be a nuclear alert like in Hawaii. And
then it’s too late, you tuned in and you can’t tune out.
CulturalOyster: Last time I interviewed you – before
“Homeland” – you said “I’m struck that so few artists, relatively speaking, are
attracted to politics these days. You can think about the color blue your
whole career, but we have sharp tools and we’re suposed to be very observant.
I can’t help using those tools responsibly.”
You’ve already told me that “Language
of the Future” will be politically responsible.
Now I’m wondering about the other side of the coin. In that 2008 interview you also said that whenever
you write something new it starts with where you are at the time. Your own
life has changed a lot since 2008, and you lay a lot of that out in what’s
probably your most personal story so far, Heart of a Dog. In that
movie you weave together internal and external strands — 9/11, Lolabelle, your
mother, JFK, your husband Lou Reed – all of them gone now – to make a whole
that’s much bigger than its parts. Can we expect some “where you are now”
threads in the upcoming performance?
Anderson: Yeah, it’s very true, that’s always part of
what I do. In the book I just wrote [All the Things I Lost in the Flood ] I
could see that. “I lived by the Hudson
River” – a million things start that way.
I was able to go deeper into language in the book than I can in other
ways. I say language is a disease
communicable by mouth – I’ve said that for decades – but wait, it’s not
alive. It’s right on the edge of life,
but it works like a lifeform, it’s a set of rules and it can go viral in a
second. I began to really see what I
could make of that, to move some of those ideas around – so the book is really
a collection of essays about how language effects imagery.
CulturalOyster:
Prosaic question — is this a solo performance?
Anderson: Yes.
CulturalOyster: What
sorts of instruments and technology are you using for this show? Readers
like to know.
Anderson: With
tech, I’m working on revisions to my rig – it’s a bunch of software and pedals
and a viola – hopped up stuff. I hope it
works – sometimes I take it out too early and it doesn’t drive as well as it
could.
CulturalOyster: I
have no worries whatsoever about that!
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interview by SK